Subject: [Jason Quigley
For those of you interested in a case study on immaturity. What's a
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What do you think "general impression that *I* get" means?
When I talked about people not having a clue, I was commenting on the
From what I have seen, most of the "jocks" (which is used in a
When you use comments such as "many of your ilk" you are also casting
I understand what PRE means. There never has been a release version,
You're in my kill file. Try and get a life you dweeb.
Mr. Quigley (That's Sir to you)
On Friday, April 6, 2001, at 05:57 am, Matthew Keller wrote:
> At 1:23 Uhr +0200 04.04.2001, QUIGLEY,JASON (HP-Spain,ex1 wrote:
Matthew Keller
Enterprise System Analyst
Computing & Technology Services
Information Services Division
State University of NY at Potsdam
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: Sun Oct 14 2001 - 03:04:36 EDT
From: Matthew Keller (kellermg@potsdam.edu)
Date: Fri Apr 06 2001 - 10:03:50 EDT
"kill file"? Is that like one of those lists people make to sound big
and tough and list off everyone they'd like to erase from the planet?
*chuckle* Oh I'm on a lot of those- Not since I was in High School,
however.
From: Jason Quigley <jasonq@mac.com>
To: Matthew Keller <kellermg@potsdam.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac OS X and netatalk...
fact that sometimes the problem is on the server side, other times it's
on the client side and with both sides changing so rapidly these days...
Also, I wasn't only referring to the developers. I wholeheartedly admit
that I don't have a clue what's going on either!
complementary form as one would with good pilots - you're a nerd, aren't
you, which is why I guess you read it that way) do lean quite a bit
towards Linux. I never suggested that any platform was ignored.
aspersions. Listen to your own preaching.
though, so don't get uppity with me, especially since I don't see too
many contributions from you either.
>> I think the general impression that I get is that nobody really has a
>> clue what's at fault and as the jocks on source forge don't really
>> care too much about anything other Linux, those of us who like to
>> run stable setups are in for a long wait for a resolution.
>
> Mr Quigley,
>
> Perhaps you'd like to volunteer to help submit bugfixes. I don't see any
> contributions by you at all, yet you have the gall to accuse the "jocks
> on sourceforge" of anything? The "jocks on sourceforge" use whichever
> machines they have and know. We've got people using Solaris, FreeBSD,
> and Linux on 4 architectures that I know of working on the code- Some
> people are working on MacOSX, HPUX and other platforms too. Instead of
> contributing to the FUD and poo hooing those who are working to make
> this product better, perhaps you can contribute. Don't give me any of
> this "I've submitted patches but they all get rejected" like many of
> your ilk do - Because I can verify that your name has not come up on a
> single line of submitted code.
>
> I hate politics. More than hating politics I hate people who have
> platform zealousy issues. If you feel that whichever platform you're
> using is under-represented among the "jocks on sourceforge", perhaps you
> could bring yourself down to our/their level and contribute. Not a
> single "jock on sourceforge" has any grudge against any platform - Sure,
> we all have preferences - But to insinuate that we/they intentionally
> ignore or "code against" a certain platform is beyond ludicrous- Not too
> mention rude.
>
> Furthermore, perhaps you noticed a certain three (3) letters in the
> names of the releases that the "jocks on sourceforge" have made. "PRE".
> "PRE" means "THIS FUCKING SHIT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK YET BECAUSE WE'RE
> STILL DEVELOPING IT SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ***CONSTRUCTIVE*** TO
> SAY OR CODE TO CONTRIBUTE BACK THE FUCK OFF". *straightening jacket* The
> code coming out of the **PRE** 1.5 tree is considered alpha quality at
> best - Somedays a good Beta quality.
>
> We all have wishlists. We all would like Netatalk to be *the* AppleShare
> server on ALL *IXish machines. We would like to have a lot of success,
> meet 100% of peoples feature requests, and in general have a fun time
> doing it - And it's getting there. Slowly.
>
> So, Mr. Quigley, although your views and opinions are welcome - I'll be
> the last person to suppress that - I think you should get your facts in
> line before making inflammatory statements about the people who are
> trying to make a product you *CONSUME* as good as it can be- People,
> mind you, who aren't getting paid for this. People who do it so that
> they can actually CONTRIBUTE to something, instead of COMPLAINING about
> it. Inflammatory, derogatory statements like yours only hurts production
> as it disheartens those who work hard on this project. If you aren't a
> coder - That's cool - Can you write docs? Maybe English isn't your first
> language so you could translate them into other languages? Perhaps you
> could use a debugger and send on debugging symbols to make the
> bug-hunters lives a little easier? Hell, we could all probably use
> bigger harddrives, more RAM, a couple days of "pay" to take time off
> from our busy lives and spend the day coding and bug-hunting, maybe an
> OS X server to give us something to test on. There's a LOT of ways you
> can help- And you've already found one grevious way to hurt.
>
> --
>
> Matthew Keller
> Enterprise System Analyst
> Computing & Technology Services
> Information Services Division
> State University of NY at Potsdam
>
> http://mattwork.potsdam.edu/
>
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